You found me, mouth like a pomegranate
picking flowers in my mother’s field.
An invitation of sorts.
You took it as one and spent five months
thinking about slipping your fingers into my mouth.
I think the Earth changed the day we met,
It had been waiting for you to bare your teeth
and swallow me whole
It had been waiting for the cup of your palm
around my neck except you didn’t have to beg baby
you said “let me show you what flowers look like
from the earth up.”
and I said “yes, please. Show me your flowers,
show me your dead, show me your fingers.”
My mother warned me about gods like you,
hungry, greedy gods like you
all desire and no thought
all want and no logic
I was the same.
I skipped with you into hell
Artemis knows dragged, I know this:
I held my arms outwards and let you tie them
so softly that I asked what they were made of
and you said “prayers.”
We kissed at the entrance, open-mouthed
we kissed like we were starving,
kissed like the dead were crawling out of hell
I decorated your dark with flowers
and sat on your lap and fed you petals.
It makes me burn when they say
“Hades stole Persephone.”
and I tell them “No.
I stole him.”
As soon as I thought about it, I knew I’d get this message too, based on the source.
The content is on the flowery side, BUT— here’s where I see the value:
It is certainly true that the passage of time saw a reduction in the role of mythological women, and the post demonstrates that well. And if you check out a proper source, even Wikipedia or something—just take A MINUTE to dig—you’ll see that it’s not entirely off-base, actually. The charting of Persephone back to Despoina, and the changes in her personality and story absolutely reflect the cultural shift and diffusion that changes mythology and makes it so interesting.
But there are also people who just want to rage out, rather than think about the varied interpretations that these stories can take while remembering that what we actually KNOW source-wise is a tiny fraction of the full mythos (religio-canon) that existed/exists. When you’re talking about myth, facts get tough to pin down sometimes. The post isn’t all that inaccurate, actually, but the source is far from scholarly. But then again, when you say it can be “proved demonstrably false by pretty much any scholar with even the barest background in classics or comp myth,” you’re kinda just being a tool, as the majority of the information is accurate or at least has the wiggle-room for interpretation. The last paragraph is unfamiliar to me, and sourceless, but the interesting aspect is the motivational interpretation for the goddess herself.
"However, long before the mythical Hades was ever conceived, in more ancient, pre-patriarchal times, Persephone was Queen of the Underworld and was another form of Hecate. Originally, the Triple Goddess was represented by Kore, the virgin; Demeter, the mother preserver; and Hecate or Persephone, the destroyer. In later years, Kore and Persephone became the same Goddess. The pomegranate was an ancient symbol of female fertility; the souls of the underworld ate pomegranates so that they could be reborn. They are standing in front of a bas-relief of their reunion from Eleusis, Greece, early 5th century BCE and are holding Boetian figures used in the Demeter and Persephone rites from the mid 6th century BCE. Demeter’s ribbed seed necklace is from Kourion, 400-300 BCE; her earring is part of a pendant with 2 bees from Mallia, Middle Minoan, 1700-1550 BCE. Persephone’s pomegranate pendant is from Enkomi, Cyprus, 1400-1300 BCE; her earring is from Mycenae, 1550-1500 BCE; her bracelet from Thessaly, 8th century BCE.” (x)
"In another sense a process was completed that had been in motion since the dawn of the patriarchy. In the earliest representations of the story of Demeter and Persephone, only the Goddesses were present. As the patriarchy gained power, the story was changed. Persephone, instead of going of her own free will into the underworld, was abducted by the (now male) God of Death and became his captive bride. In the stories of Ishtar and Inanna, male “consorts” were introduced. In the legend of Isis, the Dying Goddess became the male Osiris.” (x)
“The rape motif in the story underscores that the Hellenic takeover was a violent one that wrested power from women. In the words of Robert Graves, “It refers to male usurpation of the female agricultural mysteries in primitive times.”” (x)
Basically, if you can’t grasp that fact that Persephone’s rape was a patriarchal representation and installation of the Greek’s doing as a means to oppress Goddess worship and the matriarchy, wow, I don’t know even know what do for you.
Pretty sure this has been covered before but I find these sources a bit…questionable.
And if anyone uses a Graves quote seriously then sorry, but no.
right because the people who know the most about ancient Greek Culture ISN’T ancient Greece, it’s the fucking ROSICRUCIANS
put the Graves book down you don’t know what you’re talking about
Hey, cerberusia, here is something for you.
keriarentikai debunked this exact post some time ago, though I don’t have the link immediately to hand. I trust that anyone following my blog and therefore reading this will be able to grasp why the Rosicrucians and assorted ‘mother goddess’ sites which have apparently never heard of citation are not good sources, so I shan’t cover old ground (unless someone particularly wants me to); I shall simply say that all I want from people who make claims about ‘pre-patriarchal Persephone’ is a primary source. Not a secondary source such as an academic article, and certainly not a tertiary source like the rather confused webpages linked above: a genuine inscription, literary reference, statue, painting, something from the time period which I can look at and conceivably interpret as evidence for the idea of a matriarchal archaic Greek society.
The best we have is the theory that the Eleusinian Mysteries, in which Demeter and Persephone were worshipped, were descended from old agrarian cults of the Mycenaean period. This theory is actually pretty convincing, as genetic histories of religion go, but if the OP is trying to convince me that Mycenaean Greece was a matriarchy, they’re going to have to try a lot, lot harder - given the contemporary evidence, I suggest inventing a time machine and going back to change the course of history.
Delightful, thank you. ^_^
I feel like the “get in the fucking robot shinji” meme is a little misleading like. Shinji very much gets in the robot. Right away actually. One time they tell him to get out of the robot and he won’t.